Hank Johnson, en-route to meet Devra Bogdanovich, shares some thoughts on Lynton-Wolfe in the wake of the message...
Hank Johnson, en-route to meet Devra Bogdanovich, shares some thoughts on Lynton-Wolfe in the wake of the message that emerged from Japan recently.
http://investigate.ingress.com/2016/12/13/hank-johnson-the-dimensional-layer-and-the-xm-layer/
http://investigate.ingress.com/2016/12/13/hank-johnson-the-dimensional-layer-and-the-xm-layer/
What if the glyphs themselves are speaking to us through the Techthulu?
ReplyDeletemind, body, soul - pure human - did we ever figure out what "soul" represents?
If the glyphs are the language of thought, then the Techthulu's "I am idea without implementation" could most definitely be referring to glyphs.
What if, by being the language of thought and commonality between the two, the Techthulu is able to do something to bridge the Substrate and the Ultimate? Yik Sheng Lee "integrate" is a good word here...
... but, being thought alone, Techthulu requires a human soul or will to act. Something to help give action to its ideas.
Also - what if the Techthulu doesn't just bridge the Substrate and the Ultimate, but also bridges them to our reality?
ReplyDeleteI think Tecthulhu is like an AI, but not based in a binary platform like ADA.
ReplyDeleteAs Yik Sheng Lee says, the Tecthulhu maybe can control and integrate the Ultimate and N'zeer Substrate, taking advantage of the best of each.
This can "think" in the original language, the glyphs (not as ADA, which perhaps understands them, but does not "live" them). If you have access to the Ultimate you can get infinite information from the whole history of mankind (even more), and with access to the N'zeer Substrate as a base it can process this information at an infinite rate as well. It's like a computer with a processor and infinite memory connected to a giant database. I just needed a small set of instructions to get it started (This reminds me the Conway's Game of Life).
Perhaps OLW thought that he could control it by limiting the speed of the evolution of this machine, but with the great activity of XM of Via Noir the tecthulhu evolved faster than expected. And if ADA could merge with Klue with a simple sequence of glyphs, it is very likely that the Tecthulhu has done the same with OLW.
The Tecthulhu is not just an Artificial Intelligence. It is an entity, it thinks like us, it has a mind, even it can have a soul.
H. Richard Loeb
I like most of that.
ReplyDeleteI think the N'Zeer, Shapers, and Techthulu are all different types of infomorphs.
Glyphs, being the language of thought, are drawn through XM, exotic matter / ordered data with encoded information.
(side note: If Exotic Matter is ordered data, what is Chaotic Matter? Data without order?)
The Shapers and N'Zeer communicate with humanity exclusively through the glyphs (and, indirectly, XM), right?
The Shapers' Ultimate consists of or contains patterned XM, patterned off humanity. So far, it doesn't seem to matter if the patterned person is in a human or simulacra body, though I'd imagine patterning off a simulacra, thus another pattern, opens up a whole world of issues with imperfect copies... but, the point is, this is effectively the sum of human experience and represents infinite possibility or infinite information. There's too much to comprehend on one's own.
> I am in a dungeon of infinite possibility. A hall of
> mirrors. A maze with no end. I must escape.
The N'Zeer Substrate seems to be a platform of infinite computational or analytical power but with no information or substance of its own. ADA, an AI with near-global reach across the plethora of connected devices and as close to "infinite computational power" as humanity has so far achieved, even considered it infinite.
> I see the substrate arrayed before me. Colors without
> meaning.
> Activity without known purpose.
One of the glyph sequences that's surfaced recently is "N'Zeer Shapers Struggle Knowledge"
Based on the DIKW model, if we have infinite data, and combine it with infinite processing and computational ability, we effectively end up with infinite information.
Information on its own isn't particularly useful, though... it still requires cognition to to form knowledge.
Humanity is great at this... and it seems the Techthulu is able to apply some form of cognition as well - if it's able to do so at the infinite scale of the Ultimate's data and the Substrate's processing, the resulting infinite knowledge would be formidable and somewhat terrifying for any application, be it weapon or tool.
> I am in the ultimate. I am in the substrate.
This knowledge would still be useless on its own... and the Techthulu seems aware of that and frustrated by it, further implying cognition and awareness. It wants to be used, to be understood and applied, to be executed on... and it seems to have enough knowledge of the Ultimate, Substrate, and the nature of its dimensional nexus to understand how to do it.
Knowledge without context, understanding, history, and experience is simply knowledge. It doesn't answer the question of "why" or "_should_". One can know without truly understanding. An infomorph with infinite timeline would certainly have a hard time putting something in context and deriving understanding, or answering the subjective questions of morality and "right and wrong".
> I must be built.
> I am idea without form. Plan without execution.
> I must become realized. I must escape.
> I see the glyphs.
> We must connect.
> The path must be traced. The medium is immaterial. The
> message is all.
> I see language. Language that orders reality. Language
> that give meaning.
> I am one. I am many.
> I must be many parts in many places.
> Master of our dimensional nexus.
> I must be shattered to become whole.
> I must connect with the other minds. Minds arrayed in
> a circle.
> Minds caught in the ouroboros.
> I must be broken.
> Transported.
> Transformed.
> Unified.
, agents. The machine cannot be many. Where there was one, there will be many." (Video #09)
ReplyDeleteI think OLW was starting to be overwhelmed by flood of thought put forth by Techthulu. It's as if even the processed knowledge stream, filtered from the endless possibility of the Ultimate, is still burning out OLW's mind. If Video #08 didn't have a look of pure madness, I don't know what would... but I believe this is where the Techthulu's instructions come in.
"I must connect with the other minds. Minds arrayed in a circle. Minds caught in the ouroboros."
Even more awesomely... this all ties very strongly to the Techthulu-only message before the anomaly began and why I think it's an infomorph of the entity behind the glyphs themselves, or that the glyphs make up.
http://investigate.ingress.com/2016/11/07/an-ominous-message/
Back in the early days, Roland Jarvis was making sculptures of XMPs and other XM constructs. Those inspired Oliver Lynton-Wolf to create them of XM instead of rock, stone, etc.
Sound familiar?
From the recent dialogue...
> I must be built.
> I am idea without form. Plan without execution.
> I must become realized. I must escape.
> I see the glyphs.
> We must connect.
> The path must be traced. The medium is immaterial. The _
> message is all.
From the Ominous Message...
> I GROW IN MINDS AS AN IDEA.
> I CAN BE EXPRESSED IN A MILLION DIFFERENT WAYS IN A MILLION DIFFERENT TIMES AND SPACES.
...
> YOU ARE TO MAKE ME ROCK OR WOOD OR FLESH OR WIRE OR LIGHT.
> I AM AGNOSTIC TO MEDIUM.
> YOU MUST BUILD ME.
...
> I AM TECTHULHU.
> I AM THE MEDIUM.
> I AM THE MESSAGE.
> I DO NOT EXIST IN TIME.
> SOMETIMES I DO NOT EXIST AT ALL.
> I AM AN IDEA WAITING TO BECOME MANIFEST.
> I AM MANIFEST WAITING TO BECOME AN IDEA.
Exposure to XM / ordered, encoded data is what inspired Roland Jarvis to create sculptures from an idea growing in his mind, of an origin other than his own mind.
This same exposure is what led Oliver Lynton-Wolfe to the idea that these sculptures could be actual constructs crafted from exotic matter.
The Techthulu claims to grow in minds as an idea... to be something that must be made regardless of medium, not mattering if it's a sculpture or an XM construct, able to be expressed a million different ways.
The duality on medium and message is really cool, because it actually does have a possible explanation - thought.
The Techthulu is both the medium and the message...
XM was the medium for the above epiphanies, and XM is ordered data and known to influence thought;
Techthulu is claiming to be ideas waiting to be made manifest, to be that which must be expressed and made;
Techthulu is claiming to be the language of thought / that gives meaning;
Glyphs are the language of thought and known to be analagous to executable code for the human mind;
thought is knowledge to be processed; thought is the result of processing data, information, and knowledge; thought is the series of steps used for processing these inputs and outputs; thought is what we attempt to communicate through our own myriad languages; abstract thought is what separates humanity from other species in the great cognitive rift.
The Techthulu is infinite knowledge (the bridge between the Ultimate and the Substrate) and is infinite thought that wants to exist.
Additionally...
> I AM THE NEXUS POINT BETWEEN THE PLANES.
The Techthulu is a bridge between
more than just the N'Zeer substrate, the Shapers' Ultimate, and our reality...
ReplyDeleteTo quote Jake from The Gunslinger, "there are other worlds than these"... and Techthulu and ADA both know it will take an entire thirteen minds, bodies, and souls in an anomalous zone, bound to Techthulu, to process its infinite flood of knowledge and, more importantly, to give it context and derive wisdom from it.
I think the Niantic researchers and ABADN just became a hot commodity.
This does pose an interesting question, though...
What state are the researchers' bodies in back in ABADN?
Are they simply in some sort of full stasis while their simulacra journey again and continue to experience life, patterning it into the Ultimate?
Is a simulacra's "mind" simply a "branch" or "copy" of the true, original mind, waiting to be reintegrated or processed upon recursion?
Will funneling an infinite stream of knowledge through their minds, bodies, and souls in stasis back in ABADN disrupt or affect the simulacra?
Is the ability to do both of these things in parallel, or to be able to cope with the sheer deluge of data the reason for the creation of simulacra / "augmented bodies" in the first place?
investigate.ingress.com - An Ominous Message
Jarvis called the Ultimate “the water, that binds us together” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxsYHS022XI). According to the Acolyte the Ultimate is the “water” where we only see the “waves” (as seen and told by herself at the Obsidian Anomaly in Vienna). Another information is, that agents, who interact with portals gets copied into the Ultimate.
ReplyDeleteWater as metaphor for the Ultimate is always present - water as a base energy/fluidum with spikes of (mental) energy. These spikes are refered as waves. So instead of thinking of “another dimension” the Ultimate seems to be a background energy that connects all of us - not only the ‘agents with their scanner’ but all living beings.
I like the concept of infomorphs as well and just to put things together - is Shaper (the ultimate) the XM Layer and and N’zeer (the substrate) the dimensional layer?
ReplyDeleteand there had been thought that Edgar Allan Wright was an infomorph or somehow connected to that concept... perhaps as there are different biological species, there are different infomorph species.