I mentioned yesterday some Anomaly Intel was headed my way... here it is.
I mentioned yesterday some Anomaly Intel was headed my way... here it is.
http://investigate.ingress.com/2018/03/07/dark-xm-threat-and-response/
http://investigate.ingress.com/2018/03/07/dark-xm-threat-and-response/
My money is on Oliver Lynton-Wolfe as the rogue technologist.
ReplyDeleteI am interested in development and testing of counter patterns.... An anti- dark XM vaccine.... What do I need to do????? Ingress
ReplyDeleteHow will Niantic guarantee that legitimate agents are able to throw "several-hundred km" links for phase 2 (in a narrow 5min window), considering the numerous instances worldwide in the past 12+ months where agents have been unable to do so, and when Niantic has refused to acknowledge or investigate the issue?
ReplyDeleteIngress Andrew Krug
Ingress
ReplyDeleteThe document was updated to correct a Vanguard Agent name.
ReplyDeletethat's why I've been staying away from CMU.
ReplyDeleteKris Habraken Suppose it depends if VRLA is involved or not? or maybe that's only CRL?...
ReplyDeleteMy alternative question is, what is there to stop the effect of a spoofer throwing away an account in the last second?...
Vrla is not required to cause the issue.
ReplyDeleteKris Habraken suppose you have more experience at that one than i!
ReplyDeleteIn regards to NIA revealing city intel to Vanguards, will it be ENL Vanguards learning ONLY ENL cities, and vice versa? Or will Vanguards learn every city?
ReplyDeleteDark xm. π© I can smell it now
ReplyDeleteIf I understand this correctly (and I hope I do), this implies that both factions need to be successful in order to avert this somewhat grim fate. It's just a race to find out which faction is MORE successful while actively avoiding sabotage to the Operation to the other faction.
ReplyDeleteIf that is the case, I seriously hope that everyone realizes this.
Gerald Wolf got it in 1 chap .. means you got to be nice. suck it in and love the taste of humble pie... me I like the taste of π©
ReplyDeleteIngress
ReplyDeleteIn both phases, is the date and time of the city's local time (March 17/24/31 and April 7) specified?
In phase 2, is the result determined at the unique timing in the specified window? Or will it succeed if link can be established in the window?
Also, regarding the result of Phase 2, will you prepare a means to confirm the result in some way, such as displaying a "countermeasure" like a shard on the scanner?
Dark XM, very dangerous substance to be dealing with. As long as the Agents succeed, we have nothing to be concerned. Be careful... Good luck.
ReplyDelete"Each city that effectively creates a counter-pattern (by creating 50 or more Links in PHASE ONE) will be given intel leading to a specific transfer pathway. This information, consisting of two new Portals which must be Linked within a specific 5-minute window, will be deployed via classified channels to Ingress Vanguards to disseminate approximately the day following the PHASE ONE operation (Sunday March 18th/25th)."
ReplyDeleteSame question as Aaron Breen regarding this intel. Will Resistance Vanguards get this information for Enlightened cities, and vice versa?
YutoRaion the specific times will be provided to the Vanguards.
ReplyDeleteBryant Durrell "The Vanguards will receive classified intelligence from NIA researchers for their Faction’s eyes only". Meaning ENL will only get ENL intel and RES will only get RES intel.
ReplyDeleteThanks! Good call. :)
ReplyDeleteIngress Excuse me, please let me ask you again.
ReplyDeleteIn Phase Two, will it be counted if the link succeeds even once in the specified 5-minute window? Or is there a encrypted timing within that window and the establishment of the link at that point will measured?
Ingress Not to sound cynical, but what's special about these restocking portals that we can't get with a 4-portal glyph farm? Raised rates of VR item drops? VRLA hackable from them?
ReplyDeleteIngress Andrew Krug
ReplyDelete"Successful completion of a PHASE ONE operation will have a value of 1 for a Faction.
Successful completion of a PHASE TWO operation will have a value of 2 for a Faction. "
Does this mean, every city is worth 1 point for phase 1..with a total of 26 points available to score per faction..
and every link is worth 2 points for phase 2?
YutoRaion there is a 5 minute window, in which there will be a specific measurement time. The specific measurement time will not be known. The 5 minute window will be known to the faction. If the specific measurement time is at 0:00 of the window then establishing it at 0:01 will not allow it to be measured. However, if the specific measurement time is 1:30 and things are established before that time, it will be measured.
ReplyDeleteSnehal Ghone the entire phase is worth 1 or 2 points. The result is based on the cumulative per city success though. Meaning, whichever Faction has the majority wins the point(s).
ReplyDeleteMat F. yes, we will be keeping an eye on things.
ReplyDeleteIngress OK, that is, it is the same as the past Anomalies measurement method. Thank you!
ReplyDeletethanks Ingress . Any thoughts on a tiebreaker situation?
ReplyDeletePoints:
ReplyDelete4 global portal count measurements, each one worth 5 points. 20 points total.
2 days of Phase One activity. The faction with more successful starbursts gets 1 point for each day? 2 points total?
2 days of Phase Two activity; the faction with more successful links gets 2 points for each day, 4 points total?
If I'm reading this correctly, if one faction wins three of the global portal count measurements, phases one and two don't matter. Am I correct?
actively neutralize as many portals as possible.. long live team Devra
ReplyDelete+Ingress please tell us the existing number of portals held by each faction - I would like to know if there is already an imbalance that will significantly advantage one faction over the other for the Global portal count aspect...
ReplyDelete+Ingress is the total amount of points available per faction for P1 + P2 equal to 26 (cities) * (1 point [P1] + 2 points [P2]) = 78, or is it something else?
ReplyDeletePlease provide the calculation used so there is no language ambiguity.
Seconding Kris Habraken's question. Ideally we'd get data for every CP in the last septicycle, which would give us a much clearer idea of what the variance is, how hard the task ahead of us is, and so on.
ReplyDeleteAlso in the unlikely event that there's a consistent trend for Enl or Res to control more portals than the other faction, that would give one faction the option to just take the whole thing off and relax. The back of my envelope says that if (say) Enl usually has a 100K portal count advantage over Res, Res could safely take the whole mini-event off without stressing.
(I wrote that up as Res advantage first but it sounded like Enl whining about stacked decks, so I flipped it.)
I want to know what happens if the neutral team controls most of the portals as well.
ReplyDeletemath has to be 4*5 + 26*1 + 13*2 unless the target cities aren't stage 1 cities
ReplyDeleteNorman Hamer — see above.
ReplyDelete“+Snehal Ghone the entire phase is worth 1 or 2 points. The result is based on the cumulative per city success though. Meaning, whichever Faction has the majority wins the point(s).”
I agree that scoring points per city/link would be better.
Bryant Durrell I'm assuming Ingress is high.
ReplyDeleteIf agent Bryant Durrell's interpretation of the rules is correct (e.g., 20 points total for global challenge, up to 6 points for phase 1 & 2), then it would seem a tie is possible. Is there a procedure for breaking a tie? [I call this interpretation 20/2/4 - 26 points]
ReplyDeleteNote however if the scores are 20 points (5 points per global), and only 1 point for Phase 1 in total, and only 2 points for Phase 2 in total, the situation seems to be resolved. [I call this interpretation 20/1/2 - 23 points]
However, owing to the possibility that winning the starburst challenge in totum is not mutually exclusive (e.g., both sides could win all 26 of its cities), and the fact that the number of portal pathways is variable (one side might lose a city, or both sides might win all), it's possible to imagine a tie scenario on the basis of individual phase scores.
E.g., Each faction takes two global challenges (10 points each), then they die on phase 1 and phase 2 in terms of # of starbursted and pathwayed cities.
Note that a simple heuristic of 'most links in starburst' is still not necessarily a tie breaker, since those may be tied as well!
" Operations in 26 cities will take place "
ReplyDeleteand
" Successful completion of a PHASE ONE operation "
To me that sounds like it is intended as each operation (of which there will be 26 in the first weekend) can score 1 point.
(And don't forget... there are also 2 points to be won in Fukuoka)
+Ingress Will there be badges awarded for participants in this series of events? And any information about badges for the upcoming anomalies (all one series or multiple)?
ReplyDeleteMais uma vez, as cores verde, azul e vermelho.
ReplyDeleteVermelho serÑ a cor da terceira facção?
Posso deixar a sugestΓ£o de usar a cor amarelo ou laranja?
Ingress Andrew Krug we are hearing 2 different scoring methods from your side. Please could you confirm which one should we go with?
ReplyDeleteHow many points can a faction win?..
20 points for Global Op + 1 point for linkstars + 2 points for links
or
20 points for global op + 26 points for linkstars + possibly 52 points for links?
These are the max total points available:
ReplyDeletePhase 1: 13 cities x 1 point = 13 per faction max points per Phase 1 weekend. 26 per faction for the entire phase.
Phase 2: 13 city pairs x 2 points = 26 per faction max points per Phase 2 weekend. 52 per faction for the entire phase.
Global: 4 measurements x 5 points = 20 points max.
Thanks, Ingress.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to echo Kris' question again. If you would prefer not to provide an exact portal count, perhaps you could tell us the delta between the faction portal counts without giving the absolute numbers or the faction that's leading. For example:
CP 1 50,001
CP 2 49,345
CP 3 51,345
And so on.
Ingress when you say “small scale deployment for testing purposes”, do you mean Prime?
ReplyDeleteThat's the crazy thing I've seen no spoofer throw a link, only take down a portal. Link blocking would only appear to affect legitimate play.
ReplyDeletecuales son las 26 ciudades?
ReplyDeleteIngress so the timing is no longer 6pm UTC like the instructions in the pdf, but now is a specified local time?
ReplyDeleteAgents, revisions have been made to the Dark XM Threat and Response Anomaly Intel doc based on feedback. The revised document is available at the original link in the post above.
ReplyDeleteDalhe dalhe dalhe ôôôô!!!!
ReplyDeleteClark K global measure: "at approximately 6PM UTC"
ReplyDeletelinkstars/link are at specified local times,
Mark Larsen yeah I caught up to the comments, thanks for responding
ReplyDeletewhat cities???
ReplyDeleteIngress What is the initial faction baseline and What time is the initial faction baseline measured?
ReplyDeleteMiki Kazuhiro the initial baseline is In the document,,,
ReplyDeleteMark Larsen My question is what time is the initial baseline, which is listed in the document, measured?
ReplyDeleteThat's your second question,,,
ReplyDeleteDon't know,, likely to have been end of cycle just gone,, it's not like it actually natters,,
Miki Kazuhiro already measured and given in the pdf
ReplyDeleteRyan let's hope your faction has decent vanguards and your city has able admins that are prepared and have a good plan otherwise you don't really need to worry. If you're in a starburst city, the onus is on the community admins and vanguards
ReplyDeleteIngress you're drunk! why can't you say this in the beginning? is somebody at your office thinking of the effects those sudden rule changes implement? #calvinball
ReplyDeleteIngress Andrew Krug Seriously, you waited until the last moment and then changed the freaking rules? Sorry, but that's absolute bullshit. There was no way either faction was going to own portals exactly 50/50 right before any event started. And now that agents may have already been out doing work toward the event you yank a rug out from under? That is the lowest and cheapest kind of interference, and it could not be any more plain that you are flat out bowing to one faction to keep them on a winning streak. Calvinball is one thing, but changing the rules of a game that has already effectively been started is quite another. I officially declare shenanigans.
ReplyDeleteIngressI can totally understand trying to make the rules fair for both sides, and that's a great idea. It didn't seem quite fair since one team had a big lead over the other to start. By "Current state" do you mean at the time of this rule change? Can you share with us the date/time of the baseline calculation so that we can evaluate our plans again, or, better yet, ensure that the baseline is set from the date the competition was announced? Andrew Krug. That seems to be a pretty reasonable request.
ReplyDeleteSo I spent hours claiming over a hundred unclaimed portals before this rule change was announced, and now those are just part of a new Baseline? So all my work actually wound up just hurting my team. Changing the rules of a game after the game has started is... is... Niantic.
ReplyDeleteNate Zenker calvinball, and changing rules after play starts... are the same thing
ReplyDelete(I tend appreciate the chaotic nature of ingress events; we might all be better off w more emergent gameplay)
ReplyDeleteπΏ✨ Gostei da ideia de fazer uma contagem de portais agora. Assim nos dias marcados, os pontos serΓ£o as diferenΓ§as. Γ evidente que uma facção que contΓ©m um numero maior de agentes jΓ‘ estΓ£o segurando os portais em locais desertos. Dessa forma os portais que jΓ‘ estΓ£o de pΓ© nΓ£o conta, e o que vai valer serΓ£o os novos portais capturados. eu apoio a ideia.
ReplyDeleteOn the face of it the new rules are fairer cause one faction had a 70k lead but,, what about all the portals that have been specially captured prior to 17th
ReplyDeleteDo they count towards delta or not?
When will the cities be revealed for the next phases?
ReplyDeleteEmerson Lima as per document
ReplyDeleteOperations in 26 cities will take place on Saturday, March 17th. The intel leading to these operations will be distributed on approximately Monday, March 12th. Operations in 26 additional cities will take place on Saturday, March 24th. The intel leading to these operations will be distributed on approximately Monday, March 19th.
For the successful PHASE ONE cities on March 17th, PHASE TWO operations will take place on March 31st. For the successful PHASE ONE cities on March 24th, PHASE TWO operations will take place on April 7th. Failed PHASE ONE cities will not be provided intel for a PHASE TWO operation. The cities in PHASE TWO will not be the same as those in PHASE ONE.
The new rules give ENL a huge advantage: RES has more portals to defend, and being in the lead its harder to grab more. And should RES against the odds succeed to win the first round, it faces an even more impossible task in the second round.
ReplyDeleteIt looks like NIA intervened to favour ENL as it did so often in theb past. (And Niantic, don't give me your "We're very carefull to maintain balance" crap, actions speak louder than words)
It looks like RES players better ignore this event.
+Ingress, pls let us know in the global event, in one or both sides decreases their number of portals, what will happen?
ReplyDeleteit would be interesting to know what percentage of all ingress players are even aware of the global event.
ReplyDeleteGeorge Roy that would only be the agents that don't care in the first place,, if you cared about such events you would either a) read nia emails b) follow nia on social media, c) otherwise be in touch with your local community
ReplyDeletewhat "nia e-mails"? (exactly)what social media? (exactly) what local community (in the LA area)?
ReplyDeleteLet's see email from email-ingress@niantic.com dated Mar 10 to all opted in email addreses (likely tour gmail account)
ReplyDeleteB) everything from twitter to facebook
https://plus.google.com/+Ingress/posts/QWgywPuKMxB
I can't speak for the La area,,
plus.google.com - I mentioned yesterday some Anomaly Intel was headed my way... here it is.
so far, all that i have seen from niantic is 1 post on investigate ingress, 1 (poorly) updated pdf document, this thread, and one statement/prediction from Andrew K (which turned out not to be true, to the best of my knowledge, (or at least didn't mean what i assumed it did)). absolutely nothing else. this seems an amazing lack of information even by niantic standards, considering when the event is supposedly starting. perhaps niantic is re-choosing the cities at the last minute due to the weather? i'm starting to wonder if the whole thing really is just a hoax/early april fool.
ReplyDeletewhat did Andrew Krug say you disagree with?
ReplyDeleteWhat else did you want from nia?
ReplyDeleteAnd what's that got to do with agents not knowing about the event?
from Andrew's latest AMA: (question submitted on 3/5, answered early this week)
ReplyDeleteQ17: Mati JZ: Any news about the XM event on March? Only the Shards game in Fukuoka has been announced.
A17: Information about the March event should be released by the time this is published.
i was expecting/hoping for MORE information than had been given in the updated pdf, especially the cities involved, at least the first ones. Perhaps he was referring to the update as more information.
i suppose you may be correct in that having no information about the existence of the event is different than just having no details about the event. i guess wanting both makes me at least a bit greedy. sorry
George Roy there was information released between the time the question was asked monday (5th march) and when the Anwsers were published ~12th of march,
ReplyDeletethat information being this very thread on the 8th of march:-)
the cities involved were notified (as per document) monday 10th March
ReplyDeletenon-particpating cities were not notfied where they were so as to lessen the charce of opposition spolling the OP
Where we can find target portals ?
ReplyDeleteThere have long been rumblings about the possibility of a new faction appearing since before agent levels 9 to 16 were introduced. Perhaps there is more merit to these rumblings than previously suspected.
ReplyDelete5+ years playing Ingress. Have a business card from Bill Kilday personally handed by himself on #13Magnus Buenos Aires.
ReplyDeleteI don't have a clue who the Resistance Vanguards are, or any Vanguards at all in my country, despite being a 'founder' *and* reading every weekly update from the e-mail. Where's that list?
This Anomaly is rigged to agents who 'abide by playing under command'. Needless to say that I just discovered something's going on because I was asked to flip a strategic portal, but no details on anything else. Go team. Done great with the NTK.
Time to move... away.
Good-bye, and thanks for all the fish.
So the first event created after a scandal in which trust was broken in factions and communities is an event that encourages secrecy within factions and communities.
ReplyDeleteit's easy. you can find the list of vanguards at the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, in a dis-used lavatory, with a sign on the door saying "beware of the leopard". - niantic advertising department
ReplyDeleteJimmy Mayer Right on.
ReplyDeleteThis 'game' turned out into a plot that puts agents against each other within the faction and into a power-race about who can shake the rattle harder, louder, and hitting the ones that were supposed to be comrades.
Good luck with it, Niantic. You managed to finally spoil what was left of this great ARG proof-of-concept. Say no more, play no more. Time to move... on.
Thanks for answers πππ
ReplyDeleteSorry, I'm rather new to Ingress. Somehow I can't find the list of cities where the event takes place. I would not like to find out later on, that the event was present in one of the cities nearby.
ReplyDeleteDieter Stender it's everywhere,,
ReplyDeleteCapture as many portals as possible,,
Ask your team mates in comms for advise but they won't know anything till tomorrow,
Where are you?
Mark Larsen Thank you for the quick reply. I will see, if they can tell me something. I'm living in Switzerland.
ReplyDeleteNIA Ops If one faction is for whatever reason unable to complete any of the research designated to them, and the other faction manages to acquire enough Intel to complete it for them (such as creating a 50 link starburst on the other factions portal) which team will be considered the team that contributed said research as far as the public record goes?
ReplyDeleteIngress on the above question, as well.
ReplyDeleteIngress Can you please clarify: If a city is unable to achieve their Link Star, does that potential City Link not happen then? based on your latest post about potential points, it contradicts what I've read from this rules document.
ReplyDeleteDrew Dondero unsure, but without the Intel to preform the link (obtained day after linkstar) it would be virtually impossible to randomly link the correct portals, so one assumes, without winning linkstar the chances of getting correct linkup would be something in the region of 0.1% possible to fluke but extremely unlikely,,,
ReplyDelete",,,,,,Each city that effectively creates a counter-pattern (by creating 50 or more Links in PHASE
ONE) will be given intel leading to a specific transfer pathway,,,,,,,"
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